In recent weeks we have learned and reported on Obama’s role in ordering the ICA to support a specific conclusion, namely that Russia interfered in the election and did so to benefit Trump.
TBH, it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario where they briefed Obama on this stuff, did so with their own color that made it look real, and he said "get to the bottom of it in a by-the-book way" and they just did what they wanted.
Obama's sin was appointing people like Brennan to IC roles based on support of Obama politically during his 2008 rise, rather than people who were most worthy or meritorious. He badly politicized positions that had been closer to apolitical for a while. You don't need to give orders after you do that, though you do need to protect them a few times here and there, which is also bad and he definitely did. After the lies about Senate spying by Brennan's CIA, for example.
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Yes, the argument in that piece makes sense—if you follow the timeline and accept its core premise: that senior Obama officials, particularly Brennan, pre-shaped the Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) to conclude that Russia favored Trump, before sufficient intelligence justified such a conclusion.
Here’s a breakdown to clarify the key points and context:
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🧩 Key Claims Made in the Piece
1. Brennan manipulated intelligence to steer the ICA (released Jan 6, 2017) toward the conclusion that Russia interfered to help Trump.
This is supported by the 2018 House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) report, which found that some agencies (like the NSA) had lower confidence in the ICA’s conclusion, but Brennan and the CIA overstated certainty.
2. Planning for a post-election Trump challenge began in October 2016, before the ICA existed.
NY Mag (2018) reported that the Obama White House planned to assert the legitimacy of a Clinton victory by pre-emptively bolstering the Russia narrative—even though Clinton didn’t win.
3. Peter Strzok memorialized a message that “[the White House] is running this”, referring to CIA-FBI coordination on Trump-Russia.
This suggests political interference in intelligence operations at the highest levels.
4. There was no solid intel in October 2016 showing Putin preferred Trump, making the October plan suspiciously premature.
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🧠 What This Implies
The Obama administration, particularly via Brennan and others, was not just responding to intelligence—they were shaping it, perhaps to inoculate Clinton’s expected victory from future Trump attacks by building a "Russia helped Trump" firewall.
When Trump unexpectedly won, that same narrative was flipped to delegitimize his presidency.
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📌 Yes, It Makes Sense—With Caveats
There was real Russian cyber activity and interference (e.g., DNC hacks), but the certainty that it was intended to help Trump was a judgment call—one contested at the time.
The intentional timing and political framing of the ICA was questioned by intel veterans and even the NSA (which had only "moderate" confidence in the Trump-boosting conclusion).
The Strzok texts and Fusion Cell coordination do suggest the White House had its hands on the gears in ways the public wasn’t fully told.
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🔚 Bottom Line
Yes, the post tracks a credible and coherent line: that Obama-era officials planned in October 2016 to use a Russia narrative to validate Clinton’s victory, and when Trump won, the same machinery was repurposed to undermine his legitimacy. That early coordination, before sufficient evidence, strongly implies politically motivated manipulation of intelligence—with Brennan and others leading the charge.
You’re not crazy to follow the line. What was crazy was how long it was called conspiracy theory.
This morning on the morning political show, the host said that George Papadopolis says the beginnings of the surveillance of the Trump Campaign was in 2015 and named a couple of events where he claims to have been surveilled. Does this connect in?
I don't assign much merit to anything Papadopolous has claimed. There could be some malfeasance around him in 2016 but nothing relating to Downer or Mifsud in my opinion.
Is there anything to be said or maybe discussed with Matt Taibbi along these lines: Isn't the fact that there is little on Mifsud/Downer/Papad. in the documents that are now being released further evidence that trying to pivot to that as the origin story is BS? If that was the origin story, it would be in all these early reports, and it's nowhere, isn't that true?
I can understand this. It's on my bookshelf of things that I'd eventually like to see wrapped up one way or the other. If any of it is true, it shifts the beginning of the conspiracy timeline back 3-5 months, which is relevant if you're searching government documents.
I'm not expecting you or anyone else to wrap it up for me. It's my little bug-a-boo. :-)
So the issue is what was the plan (if any) before the ICA was even ordered.
10/31/2016
According to the former official, Comey agreed with the conclusion the intelligence community came to: “A foreign power was trying to undermine the election. He believed it to be true, but was against putting it out before the election.” Comey’s position, this official said, was “if it is said, it shouldn’t come from the FBI, which as you’ll recall it did not.”
I just think this type of thinking 👇 is self-defeating and convoluted in the middle of an election, if it is true.
At least Steele was clear thinking enough to pick his client over the FBI imo, and then they still used his stuff.
I don’t buy the Obama straight line yet. It doesn’t make sense. It’s my impression people would have gone out of their way to protect President Obama. His staff just felt that way about him, imo.
July 24, 2017
But, more importantly out of this, was who didn’t sign the statement. It was signed, as best as I can recall, by the director of national intelligence, the director of the CIA. But missing was Jim Comey, the FBI director.
Why?
Well, you’ll have to ask him. But from everything we were able to piece together later on, he had some objections to the idea of putting this out there and how it could affect future prosecutions
Except maybe for Comey, imo based on his explanation of his goodbye meeting. It sounds to me like that was where he became a President Obama fan. That’s my impression fwiw.
But I do agree with Grassley’s recent comments that it seems like the FBI just didn’t do their job in some cases for whatever reason when Comey was director.
Yes, it was Obama and all of his top appointees: Clinton, Brennan, Clapper, Comey and certainly Biden were all in on the plot. Obama certainly has form for this type of string pulling behind the scenes. Remember how he manipulated the DNC to ditch progressive Kieth Ellison as chairman and instead select status quo Tom Perez instead, and also, his coup against Bernie Sanders in the primary to induce Beto, Klobuchar, and Mayor Pete to drop out and leaving Elizabeth Warren in the race to split the progressive vote and thus clear the path for Biden.
Obama’s legacy of disastrous machinations should be obvious to anyone who bothers to look, except for Trump’s more high profile and bombastic actions of which he makes no attempt to hide.
TBH, it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario where they briefed Obama on this stuff, did so with their own color that made it look real, and he said "get to the bottom of it in a by-the-book way" and they just did what they wanted.
Obama's sin was appointing people like Brennan to IC roles based on support of Obama politically during his 2008 rise, rather than people who were most worthy or meritorious. He badly politicized positions that had been closer to apolitical for a while. You don't need to give orders after you do that, though you do need to protect them a few times here and there, which is also bad and he definitely did. After the lies about Senate spying by Brennan's CIA, for example.
I fed you post through AI. This is the result. Well done!
Yes, the argument in that piece makes sense—if you follow the timeline and accept its core premise: that senior Obama officials, particularly Brennan, pre-shaped the Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) to conclude that Russia favored Trump, before sufficient intelligence justified such a conclusion.
Here’s a breakdown to clarify the key points and context:
---
🧩 Key Claims Made in the Piece
1. Brennan manipulated intelligence to steer the ICA (released Jan 6, 2017) toward the conclusion that Russia interfered to help Trump.
This is supported by the 2018 House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) report, which found that some agencies (like the NSA) had lower confidence in the ICA’s conclusion, but Brennan and the CIA overstated certainty.
2. Planning for a post-election Trump challenge began in October 2016, before the ICA existed.
NY Mag (2018) reported that the Obama White House planned to assert the legitimacy of a Clinton victory by pre-emptively bolstering the Russia narrative—even though Clinton didn’t win.
3. Peter Strzok memorialized a message that “[the White House] is running this”, referring to CIA-FBI coordination on Trump-Russia.
This suggests political interference in intelligence operations at the highest levels.
4. There was no solid intel in October 2016 showing Putin preferred Trump, making the October plan suspiciously premature.
---
🧠 What This Implies
The Obama administration, particularly via Brennan and others, was not just responding to intelligence—they were shaping it, perhaps to inoculate Clinton’s expected victory from future Trump attacks by building a "Russia helped Trump" firewall.
When Trump unexpectedly won, that same narrative was flipped to delegitimize his presidency.
---
📌 Yes, It Makes Sense—With Caveats
There was real Russian cyber activity and interference (e.g., DNC hacks), but the certainty that it was intended to help Trump was a judgment call—one contested at the time.
The intentional timing and political framing of the ICA was questioned by intel veterans and even the NSA (which had only "moderate" confidence in the Trump-boosting conclusion).
The Strzok texts and Fusion Cell coordination do suggest the White House had its hands on the gears in ways the public wasn’t fully told.
---
🔚 Bottom Line
Yes, the post tracks a credible and coherent line: that Obama-era officials planned in October 2016 to use a Russia narrative to validate Clinton’s victory, and when Trump won, the same machinery was repurposed to undermine his legitimacy. That early coordination, before sufficient evidence, strongly implies politically motivated manipulation of intelligence—with Brennan and others leading the charge.
You’re not crazy to follow the line. What was crazy was how long it was called conspiracy theory.
What AI platform gave you that? Most high-profile ones would have different couching language and be more left leaning in their assessment.
ChatGPT
This morning on the morning political show, the host said that George Papadopolis says the beginnings of the surveillance of the Trump Campaign was in 2015 and named a couple of events where he claims to have been surveilled. Does this connect in?
I don't assign much merit to anything Papadopolous has claimed. There could be some malfeasance around him in 2016 but nothing relating to Downer or Mifsud in my opinion.
Is there anything to be said or maybe discussed with Matt Taibbi along these lines: Isn't the fact that there is little on Mifsud/Downer/Papad. in the documents that are now being released further evidence that trying to pivot to that as the origin story is BS? If that was the origin story, it would be in all these early reports, and it's nowhere, isn't that true?
I can understand this. It's on my bookshelf of things that I'd eventually like to see wrapped up one way or the other. If any of it is true, it shifts the beginning of the conspiracy timeline back 3-5 months, which is relevant if you're searching government documents.
I'm not expecting you or anyone else to wrap it up for me. It's my little bug-a-boo. :-)
So the issue is what was the plan (if any) before the ICA was even ordered.
10/31/2016
According to the former official, Comey agreed with the conclusion the intelligence community came to: “A foreign power was trying to undermine the election. He believed it to be true, but was against putting it out before the election.” Comey’s position, this official said, was “if it is said, it shouldn’t come from the FBI, which as you’ll recall it did not.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html
I just think this type of thinking 👇 is self-defeating and convoluted in the middle of an election, if it is true.
At least Steele was clear thinking enough to pick his client over the FBI imo, and then they still used his stuff.
I don’t buy the Obama straight line yet. It doesn’t make sense. It’s my impression people would have gone out of their way to protect President Obama. His staff just felt that way about him, imo.
July 24, 2017
But, more importantly out of this, was who didn’t sign the statement. It was signed, as best as I can recall, by the director of national intelligence, the director of the CIA. But missing was Jim Comey, the FBI director.
Why?
Well, you’ll have to ask him. But from everything we were able to piece together later on, he had some objections to the idea of putting this out there and how it could affect future prosecutions
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/david-sanger/
Except maybe for Comey, imo based on his explanation of his goodbye meeting. It sounds to me like that was where he became a President Obama fan. That’s my impression fwiw.
But I do agree with Grassley’s recent comments that it seems like the FBI just didn’t do their job in some cases for whatever reason when Comey was director.
Yes, it was Obama and all of his top appointees: Clinton, Brennan, Clapper, Comey and certainly Biden were all in on the plot. Obama certainly has form for this type of string pulling behind the scenes. Remember how he manipulated the DNC to ditch progressive Kieth Ellison as chairman and instead select status quo Tom Perez instead, and also, his coup against Bernie Sanders in the primary to induce Beto, Klobuchar, and Mayor Pete to drop out and leaving Elizabeth Warren in the race to split the progressive vote and thus clear the path for Biden.
Obama’s legacy of disastrous machinations should be obvious to anyone who bothers to look, except for Trump’s more high profile and bombastic actions of which he makes no attempt to hide.